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"Leaders" in Philippine Senate elections

Sometime ago, I removed these from infoboxes as these are not leaders in electoral sense that these people actually led the ticket during the campaign period. These are WP:OR anyway as these were made up: who said that they were leaders? Now, you've added them back and presumably for what reason? You even led a retiring senator as a leader in one of the articles. That's offensively stupid.

We can probably agree during the Third Republic era under the two-party system that there were leaders of this sort, but not since 1987. Howard the Duck (talk) 22:48, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They are not so called "leaders" during the campaign period, yet they are leaders of their respective party/coalition in the senate. The same way that The Administration coalition would be lead by the senate president, not necessarily in the campaign but in a political sense. ALB67 (talk) 15:23, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Political leaders exist in the Philippine Senate if they are in positions where they would be in that position, (Sen Pres, Maj Leader etc). If there is no appointed leader of a ticket, then there is no need to fill the respective areas, as is the case in some elections. ALB67 (talk) 15:27, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I:m a Filipino myself. I've lived through the 1987 constitution. Political leaders do exist in the Senate. However, it is WP:OR to assign these people as "electoral slate leaders" in an election cycle, those who we know are to lead their political party in to the next Congress. Zubiri was most definitely not the leader of the UniTeam; he emerged to be the leading Senate presidential candidate as he had the numbers and was fortunately elected. Sotto and Drilon cannot be leaders as they were retiring after that election. Electoral leaders are actual leaders and are actual, in the Philippines's case "Senate oresidential candidates". There is no such thing in the Philippines since 1987. The various leaders only emerge after the election as now we know who won and by how many seats their alliance won.

Your additions are WP:OR based on the understanding on who is supposed to be "leader" in such cases. Please revert yourself. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:06, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes they are retiring senators for that election but they are the current leaders of their respective parties/alliance as of the election, and not for the next congress. That goes for Sotto as Minority leader in 2004 as an example. Though he is retiring, he is the senate leader as of the given election period. ALB67 (talk) 16:52, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No one is disputing he was the current leader in the Senate. In fact, this was my original basis om who goes there, but after seeing infoboxes from other countries, none of these people apply since 1987.

This is, at the simplest way to explain it, is if this alliance had a "Senate presidential election candidate", and that fact is known all throughout the campaign period, this he is the "leader". So if this person only became a "Senate presidential election candidate" after the winner is known, or won't serve at all in the upcoming Congress, or is running for another position on Election Day, then this person is not a leader. No one since 1987 is.

Please, revert yourself. All of these. Don't leave anyone behind. Howard the Duck (talk) 17:02, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In 2001 Philippine Senate election, you had Teofisto Guingona Jr., the then vice president as the "leader". This is WP:OR, but Guingona would have rather be vice president than be a senator or even Senate president.

In 2004 Philippine Senate election you had Tito Sotto who was term limited as the "leader". How can someone who won't be on the next Senate be its leader?

In 2016 Philippine Senate election, this had Grace Poe running in the concurrent presidential election mind you, as the "Senate leader" of her own slate... which sorta makes sense, but this crumbles when the only way she can win the Senate presidency is by losing the presidential election... this is WP:OR, but maybe Poe herself would have rather chosen to win the actual presidency instead of just the Senate presidency.

In 2019 Philippine Senate election, Tito Sotto was apparently the Senate leader of the Hugpong ng Pagbabago? Since when? Does Sara Duterte know this?

Your edits do not make sense. Revert these. Howard the Duck (talk) 05:04, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In 2022 Philippine Senate election, you have indeed removed ZUbiri, but left Sotto, who was term limited in this election and thus won't be able to be in the Senate even if he lost the vice presidential election (which he did), and also left Drilon, who is not running in this election, and is also term-limited. These don't make sense at all (LOL). Howard the Duck (talk) 18:10, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi sir/ma'am why do you remove my edits here??? Jinx009 (talk) 02:36, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is because the edits i have made make the page look tidier and more in line with most pages that list down officials. ALB67 (talk) 05:05, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

E.g, colouring the box that list their election year as well as colouring the box with their party is redundant as the colour is already right next to their image. ALB67 (talk) 05:15, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you wish to edit, you do not need to anymore as i have fixed the issue myself. ALB67 (talk) 06:40, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

But your TYPO is wrong... --- Jinx009 (talk) 12:37, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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STOP!!! Please stop your wrong editing to this Page, Thank You! --- Jinx009 (talk) 12:21, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So fixing redirect links is wrong? ALB67 (talk) 14:06, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your editing of changing the main link, e.g. changing Laban ng Demokratikong Pilipino to Lakas ng Bansa even if its the same page ALB67 (talk) 14:08, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Adding Partido Demokratikong Pilipino Lakas ng Bayan to PDP Laban is competely unneccassary since PDP Laban itself is already the page. ALB67 (talk) 14:12, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@ALB67: & @Jinx009: Please take this to Talk:Governor of Laguna, before this escalates into an edit war. Sciencefish (talk) 15:40, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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