User talk:Abecedare

Helping Birds

They seem like a sock of Thakor Sumantsinhji Jhala, for example see this edit war over a redirect hijacking [1] between them and an IP , I think they were edit warring while logged out with themselves to create an illusion of them not being TSJ because they reverted the IP only a minute later.

• IP hijacks redirect at 17:35, 12 July 2024
• revert by Helping birds at 17:36, 12 July 2024 Ratnahastin (talk) 15:15, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Yup, they could have been edit-warring with themselves. There are so many LTAs in the caste, esp. Rajput, area that it is hard to be sure of who's who and what mental games they are trying. Blockworthy in any case. Abecedare (talk) 15:21, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

It seems my suspicions were correct , they indeed are a sock of TSJ. [2] Ratnahastin (talk) 04:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Can you have a look at this draft [3] ? It seems like one of TSJ's creation. Ratnahastin (talk) 09:58, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

@Ratnahastin: Probable. Lets keep an eye for now. Abecedare (talk) 17:29, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Haribhakta10

Would you have a look at User:Haribhakta10? I'm thinking they are the return of User: Viratvini11 (sock of User:Vinayvinyill) who you blocked yesterday. Their account was created today and they have the same focus on Darshan, same interest in adding/improving photos, same habit of going to user's talk pages to ask them (while pinging others) for improvements to be made. Thanks, Zinnober9 (talk) 12:12, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Iam not a sock, First time I create wiki , when I start to edit, first I see all users how they are contributing to article, so I add their reference, If any doubts me, investigate me I can clarify all your doubts.

Thanks Haribhakta10 (talk) 12:15, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

@Zinnober9: Thanks for spotting this/ Blocked as WP:DUCK. Abecedare (talk) 13:12, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Zinnober9 (talk) 16:15, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Duck again. User:ದರ್ಶನ್ ಅಭಿಮಾನಿ Zinnober9 (talk) 15:34, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

 Blocked and tagged. Abecedare (talk) 15:44, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Admitted socking for User:D boss worshipper. Sigh. Zinnober9 (talk) 13:47, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Blocked. Abecedare (talk) 15:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Another duck. Note the similarities of previous and current. Reordered it a little, but same focus, same phrasing, same links. Zinnober9 (talk) 11:24, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Nevermind, Bbb23 got them. Thanks all the same! Zinnober9 (talk) 12:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Bbb23 is omniscient. :) Abecedare (talk) 17:13, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Sock/NOTHERE user

Hi Abecedare, I hope you're doing well. I would like to request action against this user SantwinderSingh who is vandalizing various pages-[4], [5], [6]. This user is also a sock of GuruRavidasPuttar; all these accounts are being operated by a user who for the past 2 years, has been a menace in various South Asian related pages, they've been vandalizing pages through IPs which geolocate to Italy, making random changes to census figures, aggrandizing their religion and the Punjabi language, and trying to engulf various sects as part of his religion. After this ANI report, where many of their ranges were blocked from the pages they often target, the user switched to using accounts. SantwinderSingh is clearly this user's sock account. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 18:08, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

@Southasianhistorian8: Would you mind adding this to the GuruRavidasPuttar SPI so that there is a consolidated record of the sockmaster? Pinging Dreamy Jazz from there may also help, esp. if the new account is still editing from Italy. At a quick glance the edits to Dera Sach Khand look suspicious but will need to take a deeper look before I can act; will do so in the next day or so. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 18:55, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I should have clarified, while I'm certain the account is a sock of GRP, the account is disruptive enough to warrant a NOTHERE block, so I don't think admins should go through the trouble of doing a sock investigation, or at least a behavioural evidence check, especially when this case involves hundreds of IPs over the course of 2 years. A block for persistent disruption was what I was hoping for. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 19:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

A look through their edits makes me even more inclined to think that SantwinderSingh is indeed a sock of GuruRavidasPuttar but for now I have blocked them from article space to stop their disruption while leaving open the opportunity for them to use talkpages to present sources and explanation for their future edits. Have also ECPed Ravidasia. Malerkotla State could use some more eyes. Abecedare (talk) 00:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Abecedare. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 00:59, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Request to increase protection

Wikipedia articles such as Branches of Rashtrakuta dynasty and Baglana are being vandalised by an IP. Can u please increase protection of both the pages. Hashid 17:14, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

@Hashid Khan: I have semi-protected the article for a month to stop the repeated unexplained deletion and to encourage discussion of any issues on the talkpage. That said, on a quick glance, some of the article's content and sources do seem iffy and require a deeper review from knowledgeable editors. For example, this self-published essay by Jyotsna Kamat is unlikely to qualify as reliable source. This can be discussed on the article talkpage and hopefully, the IP will participate and spell out their particular objections. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 17:27, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Just so you're aware, Hashid Khan is himself a sockmaster and likely a sock as well; the former claim is already confirmed and the latter is awaiting a checkuser. For some reason, Hashid Khan was indeffed for disruptive editing but was unblocked via an unblock request even when there was already a sock likely confirmed to him. Even if he is not confirmed to R2dra in the latter report he should still be indeffed for sockpuppetry, no? The vast majority of users going to admins talk pages and requesting protection or blocking for a Indian milhist related issue are themselves socks who have some greater motive, and I don't feel this case is an exception. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 17:38, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for that background Flemmish Nietzsche, which I wasn't aware of. See this. Abecedare (talk) 18:01, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

May I suggest extended confirmed protection for the article Mughal-Rajput wars? There's been substantial editing by the socks in this sock conflict in the past few months, and this page is one of their primary places to "own" each other. The most recent example of this is Hashid Khan (falls into side A) reverting the edits of Dooblts (recently confirmed sock of side B) and restoring a more "favorable" diff of the article. Normally this amount of disruption wouldn't warrant EC protection but I feel it's necessary here as these socks can very easily become autoconfirmed, and have shown that they are very determined to do so; my motivation to request this is amplified by both Dooblts' and new account Masterliverwort's requests on my talk page for "assistance" on restoring back said article to a state which favors their side's (see my subpage for more info) views, the latter account of which suspiciously came running to my talk page to request the exact same edits on the exact same page the day after Dooblts was confirmed to be a sock and blocked. You're free to block Masterliverwort (or forward it to a checkuser) if you feel my evidence clearly makes them a duck, but if not I'll make another SPI report. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 19:31, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

@Flemmish Nietzsche: I have blocked the Hashid account and ECPed a few of the affected pages. Chose to indef ECP the Mughal-Rajput wars under WP:GSCASTE since, given the Rajput related subject matter and the various socks involved, that's its only hope of being cleaned up and then being stable. Thanks for your vigilance. Abecedare (talk) 21:52, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Great, thanks. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 21:53, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Question

Hi @Abecedare I have recently a wikipedia page which I have forgot with my ip adress. I want to know whether I have to mention it on my talk page or not and If yes as I have forgot the wikipedia page I had edited so can you please tell me a way to do it.

Regards Rawn3012 (talk) 00:42, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

@Rawn3012: If it was an isolated or occasional set of edits made while you were logged out, and you have no concerns about them possibly being linked to your account, then there is nothing you need to do; see WP:EWLO for details. However, in case you believe that if these edits are ever linked to your account then they may:

1. Raise privacy concerns by revealing your ISP and geolocation, and/or
2. May raise suspicion of evasion

then you should get in touch with a checkuser and they can guide you on whether the IP information can be deleted from the article histories and whether you need to mention the edits on your userspace. Hope that helps. Abecedare (talk) 01:11, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Sock check

Can you check if Chauthcollector is a sock of DeccanFlood or User:Malik Kafur 2409:4085:78A:C8AD:CC95:A812:DDDB:2917 (talk) 16:50, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Abecedare is not a checkuser as far as I know, only an administrator. I will file an SPI report for Chauthcollector when I have time today, or you could yourself if you provide sufficient evidence. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 16:55, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Yup, an SPI would be the way to go if there is suspicion of sockpuppetry. Abecedare (talk) 17:05, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Twinkle1990

That took a strange turn with the random harassment. There were several red flags around their perms requests, but I wasn't expecting that. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:36, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

@Rosguill: I came in from the opposite direction. Saw the the harassment. Blocked etc. And then followed the trail to stuff at, and linked from, the permission request pages. Weird indeed. Abecedare (talk) 19:52, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Now looking at the full trajectory, it looks like a more standard meltdown in response to repeatedly failing to have clue about appropriate pace and boundaries on Wikipedia. I hadn't seen the part where David Gerard initially got involved, so from Twinkle1990's contribution history it looked for a moment like they abruptly decided to lash out at David out of nowhere. At this point, I suspect that the initial UPE concerns were unfounded, but the high-speed low-clue attitude is clearly a problem and I agree with an indefinite block until they've calmed down and can promise not to drag David into this again. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 21:01, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

I have puzzled about could explain the editor's conduct today and at the permission request pages over the previous months, and have come up with nothing entirely satisfactory. Lets see if they file an unblock request after a break and what they say. (small fix: Doug Weller, rather than David Gerard). Abecedare (talk) 01:12, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Request for protecting the article on Jadaun (clan)

Hi Abecedare, hope you are fine. Would request you to look at the revision history of the article on Jadaun (clan). Persistent caste related POV pushing (disruptive editing) by IP and unexplained reverts have become a regular issue. Please intervene. Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 05:15, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

@Ekdalian: Done. Btw, you may want to double check the version you reverted to since this edit since your previous version removed {{qn}} and {{full}} tags w/o providing that information and added a citation to this 1900 book. Always difficult to know which of the versions is preferable when its two apparent socks reverting each other. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 05:27, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your prompt action. Let me check the issues! Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 06:08, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Sockwork

Hi, it is regarding this. Note that this might be a sock of YilevBot, new SPI case here. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:07, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: Thanks for that info. Not familiar with the sockmaster myself but several CUs (Drmies, Spicy and Ponyo) seem to be. So hopefully, the SPI will be resolved soon w/o needing a deep dive into the behavioral matches. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 18:27, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Proxy/HB sock again

Proxy removing my PROD incidentally the same day it was supposed to close much like HB's other socks Alvin1783 and Festivalfalcon873-[7], [8]. Alvin1783 was also using proxies and pretending to be from Germany; Finmas, Dazzem, Dekhoaayadon etc were also confirmed to be using proxies. In addition, the proxy also "incidentally" made his next edit on a page that Noorullah21, another user whom HB has significant grievances with, just recently created

Can this proxy be blocked per Wikipedia's open proxy policy-"Open or anonymizing proxies, including Tor as well as many public VPNs, may be blocked from editing for any period at any time." and obvious sock puppetry? Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 15:53, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

@Southasianhistorian8: I was about to suggest that AFD would be a better venue to discuss the article's notability than relying on a prod (which, even if granted is easily reversed), but I see that you have already anticipated my advice. I've watchlisted the AFD page and will protect it if sockpuppetry becomes an issue so that the discussion can focus on the subject and sources.

139.228.59.123 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) is surely being used for block-evasion but I'm not too familiar with the tools available to check for open proxies and so can't say if the IP is one. Perhaps you can ask a CU at their talkpage or at WP:OP/R. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 21:30, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

@Southasianhistorian8: I would suggest removing the last two para's from your AFD nomination statement since those issues are relevant to the question of notability of Katoch–Sikh war per se. Just ping me if there are signs of socking at the AFD and I'll see what can be done to keep the discussion disruption-free. Abecedare (talk) 21:36, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

I removed the last 2 paragraphs. Thanks for the advice and vigilance. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 23:12, 30 July 2024 (UTC)