Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dolly for Sue

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The result was merge to Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (TV special). Sandstein 14:15, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dolly for Sue

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Fails notability guidelines. There are no reliable sources out there, including in a Google search about this topic. OnlyFixingProse (talk) 02:12, 27 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women, Fictional elements, Television, and Comics and animation. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 03:14, 27 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would go with a solid keep and complete rewrite of said article. I don’t wanna accuse the proposer of anything, but if you correctly conduct a Google search then you would have gotten tons of independent sources talking or discussing the character from the 1964 film. As a user mentioned in another deletion discussion, Dolly was part of a major speculative mystery for some time, even got some mentioning in newspaper and magazines articles (and even a more recent one from 2010). I think the article just needs a major cleanup to comply with Wikipedia’s Quality Standards, that’s all, really. Although a merge/redirect to the 1964 film with her own topic section wouldn’t be a bad idea, the article can work as a stand-alone, considering all the available sources out there. Here are some of the many sources that I found through a basic cse Google search: CBR.com, Greater Long Island, distractify.com, PCM, this podcast with the supposed voice actress herself, and the list just goes on and on. I could actually provide several more from other sources on the character, really, but these are just the most recently published. I actually created this article only because of this popular speculative topic. Like I said already, it just needs a major cleanup. Hope this helps! —Lord of Fantasy (talk) 20:04, 27 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All of the sources you mentioned above are unreliable, except for CBR, but a very weak source. OnlyFixingProse (talk) 22:16, 27 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@OnlyFixingProse: I don't see distractify or pcmworldnews being labeled as unreliable by our wiki system? They don't look stellar but to call them unreliable we should have a WP:RSN discussion or otherwise you should present arguments here why they are unreliable, rather than stating that they are. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:33, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I see. I found another source https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rudolph-dolly-mystery-solved_n_5c049a97e4b04fb211695383, but I agree Merge would be a better option. OnlyFixingProse (talk) 12:47, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (TV special). There is a bit of discussion of her, but not academic, the notability comes from rather niche media and is pretty borderline. Unless better sources are found, I think the best case is to merge the referenced part of the "Character debate" to that article. Ping me if better sources are found. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:33, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I finally found this good source (the one where she’s mentioned in the trivia show Wait Wait...Don’t Tell Me!) from December 8, 2007 which semi proves she was part of a popular mystery — I just need to find that interview and those books they mentioned. It’s mostly in the last five minutes of this podcast: https://www.npr.org/player/embed/17039461/17039446. I’m going to ping @Piotrus: per request. I also found this source, although I don’t know if it’s reliable: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rudolph-dolly-mystery-solved_n_5c049a97e4b04fb211695383. — Lord of Fantasy (talk) 06:12, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting, but I don't think we have enough material (SIGCOV) for a stand-alone article. I'd encourage you to add wht you found, however, although best would be to merge this and have a short section about her in the article about the TV show. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:38, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I think a section could be best at least. Here are some other sources I found a few hours ago: Television Academy, and Collider. Lord of Fantasy (talk) 17:36, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merge I found another one, but doesn’t just talk about her though https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/12/rankin-bass-rudolph-the-red-nosed-reindeer/616932/. Also, the sources that are found above isn’t great either. 180.194.127.148 (talk) 06:25, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This goes to show her notability is inherently tied to that of the show. Hence, my vote for merging. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:39, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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