Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Venom Snake

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The result was merge‎ to Characters of the Metal Gear series. ✗plicit 00:50, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Venom Snake

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Really having a hard time finding sources per BEFORE that mainly talks about this guy. Most of the current sources that are used were only about the ending of Metal Gear V. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 00:42, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Video games. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 02:16, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to the character list. I feel whatever notability could have been taken from Big Boss' first appearance actually being Venom Snake doesn't really provide his own character notability, and there's really no demonstration of importance outside of the twist.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 02:21, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Per Kung Fu Man Svartner (talk) 11:01, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, please give the name and a link to the target article you want to merge this too.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:32, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as a size fork. WP:SIZESPLIT states that articles "> 100 kB Almost certainly should be divided or trimmed" and the article Characters of the Metal Gear series is at 142 kB for prose length. Photos of Japan (talk) 11:02, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that's a valid reason compared to simply trimming down the size of the list entries. The list is much larger now simply because many entries have been merged recently as is and just need to be better summarized.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 18:21, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
How much trimming do you think can be realistically accomplished? WP:SIZESPLIT says >60 KB "Probably should be divided or trimmed" and we are already more than double that. The article as it is is massive and there is no way to even see who is being discussed without manually scrolling through it. Photos of Japan (talk) 03:05, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
A lot of info there can be kept to the bare minimum. As is Venom Snake wouldn't add much, and there aren't many other articles to merge in there. The size fork argument is just a bit baffling.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 03:41, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What is baffling about not wanting to continue expanding an article that is already well beyond where it is supposed to be for readability and technical purposes? Furthermore, WP:SIGCOV explicitly states "it does not need to be the main topic of the source material," so noting that most of the sources are discussing the ending of Metal Gear V as the main topic doesn't in it of itself invalidate him having significant coverage. What's important is that he is discussed in enough detail that no original research is needed, and enough seems to have already been written on his casting, naming and reception to flesh out an article about him. I don't see the purpose of deleting well-sourced material about his character design and reception, and I don't see the purpose of moving it into an article that is already too long. Photos of Japan (talk) 04:41, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and Redirect into Characters of the Metal Gear series. 2001:4455:6D2:8200:153B:BE1D:3F70:AC4C (talk) 11:40, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Characters of the Metal Gear series. If spinning out a subtopic would create a non-notable article, we should avoid it, per WP:AVOIDSPLIT. Shooterwalker (talk) 17:06, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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