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September 10

Category:Enpun

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Nominator's rationale: Not clear how this is a helpful redirect. Delete it. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 14:18, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional witches and wizards

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Nominator's rationale: WP:XY redirect which should be deleted. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 14:15, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Category:Fictional witches and wizards, and instead Merge Category:Fictional witches and Category:Fictional wizards into Category:Fictional witches and wizards. The distinction isn't always clear, not even by gender, as the term "witch" has been applied to males, and "wizard" to females. AHI-3000 (talk) 19:34, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Amniotic sac

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Nominator's rationale: Do we really need a category for the amniotic sac? Mason (talk) 03:13, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 7

Category:Suicides by carbon monoxide poisoning in Japan

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Nominator's rationale: Another WP:XY redirect which should be deleted. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 17:26, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 6

Category:Interwiki link templates - inline

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Nominator's rationale: I was going to suggest a rename to fix the MOS:DASH error, but I think this name flows better. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 17:59, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Technical universities and colleges in Germany

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Nominator's rationale: This category is a mess, based on the mistranslation "Technical University".

In Germany, there are "Technische Universitäten" (which usually call themselves "Institute/University of Technology" in English) and "Technische Hochschulen", which are Fachhochschulen. They're both completely different types of higher education institutions (both depending on the type of high school degree you need to access them, as well as the right to confer PhDs and Habilitation). You can read more about this in de:Technische Hochschule and de:Technische Universität.

It's been a constant for a while in enwiki that many editors (without really understanding the differences) translate everything as "Technical University" (that's actually what Google Translate suggests in both cases), but it creates a big mess.

This category should be deleted, and it should be replaced by Category: Technische Universitäten in Germany and Category: Technische Hochschulen in Germany, which recognizes that both things included in this wastebasket category (based on poor translation) are completely different things. SFBB (talk) 11:46, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PS1: The same issues applies to other countries with differentiation between Fachhochschulen/Hogescholen and Universities like Austria, the Netherlands, Switzerland, and Belgium. I understand there is an aim for consistency given the existence of Category:Technical universities and colleges by country but it simply does not work, because within those systems you're talking about completely different things:
PS2: Perhaps all Technische Universitäten should be merely classified under Category:Universities in Germany as there is legally no difference between them (as correctly acknowledged in List of universities in Germany). Technische Universitäten are, in their own right, full universities (not technical universities) with a technical tradition, name, and perhaps emphasis? But, based on their right as full universities, they offer all subjects that are usually found in full universities (and make them fundamentally different from what is understood as a technical university or college). For example, just listing the Technische Universitäten for TU9, but this applies to most TUs:
Law (e.g. TU Dresden, TU Darmstadt, Leibniz University Hannover),
Medicine (e.g. TU München, TU Dresden, RWTH Aachen),
Humanities (e.g.TU Berlin, TU Braunschweig, RWTH Aachen, Leibniz University Hannover, Karlsruhe Institute of Technology, University of Stuttgart),
History (TU Berlin, TU Darmstadt, TU Dresden),
Education (TU Berlin, TU Braunschweig, RWTH Aachen), Leibniz University Hannover),
Social Sciences(TU München, TU Darmstadt, RWTH Aachen, TU Braunschweig, Karlsruhe Institute of Technology, University of Stuttgart))

SFBB (talk) 12:55, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: For discussion on non-deletion paths forward (though, of course, it may be decided that deletion is the best path forward!)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 15:14, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Consensus seems to favor renaming; discussion on rename target would be appreciated :)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:09, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see a reason to rename this category away from consistency with Category:Technical universities and colleges by country. It sounds like Technische Hochschulen are technical universities – in other words, that one isn't a poor translation, so there's no issue with the title. The English term "technical university" is unambiguous here, so it doesn't need to be disambiguated. The only problem with the category is that some articles have been erroneously placed into it. The solution is to remove them from the category, and put a note on its description page to help future editors avoid making the same error. jlwoodwa (talk) 02:40, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Any split is better that the current situation, so yes: I support it. Anyways, some thoughts about it:

1.- Keeping Category:Technical universities and colleges in Germany without the TUs may theoretically work, but I don't think it's a good idea because i) Technical university is a false cognate of Technische Universität, and it may lead to a lot of confusion and (thus) maintenance.
2.- On the other side (because of the question about which of the two categories after the split should be linked to the upper category Category:Technical universities and colleges by country), the upper category is also problematic. While in other countries the division may not be as clear-cut as in Germany, Austria, NL, Belgium, Switzerland, etc., where there is a clear cut between both types of institutions related to the type of high-school degree required to access them as well as their ability to confer doctoral degree,, the difference is still there. For instance in the US the "mother" category Category:Technological universities in the United States (note that here the category is technological universities, which is different from technical universities) also include full universities, such as MIT (focused on research, conferring PhD degrees, and covering a wide range of education including anthropology, literature, humanities, history, poli sci, biology, cognitive science, etc.) and clearly technical institutions such as Cal Poly, which are clearly oriented towards applied sciences and "learning by doing" (and they do not offer PhD degrees). They're completely different types of education. Obviously the division is not as clear-cut (as in the US there are not different types of high school degrees that allow accessing different types of higher education institutions), but it is clear that there is a problem (obviously MIT has much more in common with full or traditional universities than with Cal Poly). The discussion in Institute of technology#Institutes of technology versus polytechnics is quite good.
3.- In general, I think we could begin by splitting the clear-cut cases (Germany and the aforementioned countries), where it makes no sense to group both types of institutions together. I’d also suggest setting aside the "mother" category for the moment (not linking any of the new categories to the mother category). Later on, we should consider splitting the Category:Technical universities and colleges by country, but that’s a more significant issue, and we would need to define clear criteria (one good criterion could be the ability to confer PhD degrees). That being said, I’m not sure if that discussion should be here or elsewhere. SFBB (talk) 23:23, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, but I just discovered more problems. Most (but not all) TUs are already listed under Category:Universities in Germany (that is the slightest of the issues) and there is also the category Category:Engineering universities and colleges in Germany which is as messy as Category:Technical universities and colleges in Germany (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) (also mixing up Fachhochschulen and TUs). This is really a mess. The worst part is that there also exist the category Category:Engineering universities and colleges by country as a subcategory of Category:Technical universities and colleges by country and (after checking for about one hour in many of them) every editor is categorizing whatever anywhere. It's a complete mess, and the more I dive into the categories, the more I'm getting convinced this needs an integral solution.
Of course, we can start with the obvious cases of Germany, Austria, Switzerland, NL and Belgium (where the difference between institutions is 100% clear-cut), but all these categories are an enormous mess. And obviously categorizing together many, many things that have absolutely nothing in common is only creating disinformation.
@HouseBlaster: while I think there is a consensus about the initial question, please re-list as this requires more discussion (I certainly would not know how to continue).
I also tag Jlwoodwa, Marcocapelle.
SFBB (talk) 19:26, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I cannot relist the discussion because I am now a participant. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:45, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 3

Category:Prejudice and discrimination in fiction

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Nominator's rationale: Per WP:XY, this is an unhelpful multi-target category redirect. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:08, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: INVOLVED relisting to tag Category:Prejudice in fiction.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 16:56, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 30

Category:Fictional Bengali Hindus

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Nominator's rationale: Per WP:XY, this is an unhelpful category redirect. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:05, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:1501 establishments in Venezuela

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Nominator's rationale: Category:1501 establishments in Venezuela is a single-member category which is unhelpful for navigation (and Category:1500s establishments in Venezuela would have the same problem if that was the upmerge target). Upmerge for now to the century level and delete the categories which will then become empty. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 06:18, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 26

Multiiple CC BY-SA licenses categories

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Nominator's rationale: Rename to match parent and siblings in Category:Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike files. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 17:52, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can we use a range in the title instead (1.0–2.5, 1.0–3.0, 1.0–4.0)? Gonnym (talk) 19:22, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have a slight preference for explicitly listing each license – mostly due to the awkwardness of version 2.5 – but I would not lose sleep over a range. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:23, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Circling back, I prefer a range. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 18:13, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 25

Category:Alumni of Vakalo College

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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one page in here. I'm tempted to just delete given that there isn't a page for Vakalo College Mason (talk) 13:24, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am definitely on team just delete both Category:Alumni of Vakalo College and Category:Vakalo College given Vakalo College is red. I will tag Category:Vakalo College. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:25, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete both per HouseBlaster. --Sakakami (talk) 07:20, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 24

Category:YearInCountryPortalBox with no existing country portal

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Nominator's rationale: Rename in the spirit of WP:C2D per {{Year in country portal box}}. It does not qualify for CFDS because it I only renamed earlier today per WP:TPN (which says we should use standard English spacing for template names), so I am bringing this to a full CFD. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:30, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Endings by year

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more categories nominated
Nominator's rationale: merge, this is an odd grouping of a "disestablishments" subcategory with a "deaths" subcategory, two completely unrelated topics. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:21, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 19

Category:NASCAR by year

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Nominator's rationale: As Category:NASCAR seasons is described as 'This category contains articles on individual years in NASCAR.' I suggest to merge these categories accordingly. Robby (talk) 05:27, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose merging, support placing Category:NASCAR by year into Category:NASCAR seasons and update the description of Category:NASCAR seasons to reflect the fact that it contains NASCAR seasons (rather than NASCAR years). Category:NASCAR seasons is a fairly large category, so I am not sure how this would help navigation. Additionally, the year categories are already in the decade categories, which are already in Category:NASCAR seasons (for instance, Category:2015 in NASCAR is in Category:2010s in NASCAR is in Category:NASCAR seasons). Therefore, merging would violate WP:DIFFUSE. Best, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:46, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, per HouseBlaster. --Sakakami (talk) 06:59, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedia utility templates

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Nominator's rationale: I propose to upmerge to Category:Wikipedia templates by task, because the word "utility" doesn't mean anything specific. The description doesn't help either:

Templates in this category are used in articles, portals, templates, and other pages to help create and format those pages.

If you do not immediately find what you are looking for in here, try the subcategories.

Dumping everything into Category:Wikipedia templates by task will help subcategorizing the templates and the subcategories, once more of them are visible in the same category. —⁠andrybak (talk) 13:48, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do we have any history to suggest that templates being put directly into the by task category will get subcategorized through regular maintenance instead of just removing the by task category? Does the description at Category:Wikipedia templates by task need to be updated to indicate that templates should only be subcategorized instead of removed from that category before making this move? VanIsaac, GHTV contWpWS 18:41, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For example, Category:Sidebar templates by topic (9) together with Category:Sidebar templates (7) around four years ago used to have hundreds of templates directly in them. Partly, because of the weird naming until Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 April 27#Category:"Part of a series on" sidebar templates. The subcategorization by me started around the time of this discussion. A couple hundreds of subcategories were created, e.g. approximately 168 in these 500 edits.
Similarly, several thousand templates used to be in Category:Userboxes (971). There, several participants of the WikiProject Userboxes worked on it after the invitation (see also one, two, three, four, five). It was brought down to just the meta-templates (like {{Userbox}}), but then started climbing again. Nowadays, only Catfurball is working on it, as far as I know, so the counter is back up to eight hundred. —⁠andrybak (talk) 09:21, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Plus, I've already started subcategorizing Category:Wikipedia utility templates (280), starting with Repetition templates and HTML single tag templates/Wikipedia XHTML tag-replacing templates. —⁠andrybak (talk) 10:01, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:29, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To add to the rationale: in terms of assumed purpose, Category:Wikipedia utility templates is indistinguishable from Category:Wikipedia templates, as all templates are utilities,[a] and all templates are expected to have some utility.[b] —⁠andrybak (talk) 19:56, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

  1. ^ if the word is understood in senses #2 and #7 on Wiktionary – 2. Something that is useful. and 7. (computing) A software program designed to perform a single task or a small range of tasks, often to help manage and tune computer hardware, an operating system or application software.
  2. ^ sense #1, 1. The state or condition of being useful; usefulness.
  3. ^ Side note: templates in Character-substitution templates don't do any formatting, so it shouldn't be a subcategory of Text-specific formatting and function templates, but I haven't gotten around to this part of the category tree yet.
  4. ^ P.S. During this discussion and discussions around Template tracking by task I am also starting to think that Wikipedia templates by style isn't serving a good purpose, because it's a mix of templates by shape ("box", "bar", "message box", "table") and templates by location ("header", "sidebar", "footer").
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