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IndieWebCamp Pop-ups 2020<br>
IndieWebCamp Pop-ups 2020<br>
Session: Micropub<br>
Session: Micropub<br>
When: 2020-07-25 9:30 AM (Pacific) / 12:30 PM (Eastern)
When: 2020-07-25 9:30 AM (Pacific) / 12:30 PM (Eastern)<br>
Meetable: https://events.indieweb.org/2020/07/micropub-pop-up-session-kGMIMOXFUdBn
URL: https://events.indieweb.org/2020/07/micropub-pop-up-session-kGMIMOXFUdBn<br>
Video: {{videoduration|link=https://archive.org/details/2020-07-25-micropub-popup|duration=2:30:11}}


This session will be to iterate on proposed extensions to Micropub, listed on the the [[Micropub-extensions]] page. We will discuss which extensions can be moved to stable, try to better define those proposed, and to see who is willing to implement what proposal.
This session will be to iterate on proposed extensions to Micropub, listed on the the [[Micropub-extensions]] page. We will discuss which extensions can be moved to stable, try to better define those proposed, and to see who is willing to implement what proposal.
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* {{gwg}} organizer
* {{gwg}} organizer
* {{addyourself}} (we're always happy to have additional organizers and facilitators to help out)
* {{addyourself}} (we're always happy to have additional organizers and facilitators to help out)
=== Etherpad ===
We use an Etherpad to take notes on the event.
* [https://etherpad.indieweb.org/Micropub-Popup Etherpad Link]


=== Volunteers ===
=== Volunteers ===
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== RSVP ==
== RSVP ==
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== Questions ==
== Participants ==
* ...
* {{martymcguire}} - built a handful of single-purpose Micropub clients https://indieweb.org/User:Martymcgui.re#Code_.2F_Services ; mostly listening for what's new!
* {{gwg}} (reluctant, but wholly competent and excellent, facilitator) - one of builders of the WordPress micropub client
* {{barryf}} - builder of micropublish.net
* {{manton}} - builder of [[micro.blog]]
* {{craftyphotons}} - new to IndieWeb, building a MicroPub server to publish my Hugo site is one of my next projects
* [[User:Omz13.com|David Somers]]
* {{jamietanna}} building his own client that will reflect server's capabilities automagically
* {{carolgilabert}} (mostly listening too :))
* {{hirusi}} (mostly listening) building a micropub client, soon to open source
* {{chrisaldrich}}
* {{aaronpk}}
* {{t}}
* ... add names




== Proposed Items to Discuss ==
== Notes ==


* The search modifier for stable extension, [https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/5 Query for Category/Tag List] The search modifier would search for categories for an auto-complete.
 
* Modifiers for stable extension, [https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/4 Query for Post List]. q=source is now stable, but the filters: query, limit, before, after, order, exists, not-exists, etc are still in need of further discussion.
* forking the spec to github.com/indieweb and its living specification URL to micropub.spec.indieweb.org
** {{t}} pointed out as {{aaronpk}} is the spec editor and wrote the text, he can relicense it with attribution.
* The search modifier for stable extension, Query for Category/Tag List The search modifier would search for categories for an auto-complete.
** https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/5 is the stable extension for querying category/tag
** intended use is autocomplete. other things to autocomplete are nicknames for @-mentions
** https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/34
** {{gwg}} will modify his code to match this, as will {{manton}} and {{barryf}}
* Modifiers for stable extension, Query for Post List. q=source is now stable, but the filters: query, limit, before, after, order, exists, not-exists, etc are still in need of further discussion.
** https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/4
** https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/35 - Limit as a parameter for limiting all return queries. How it behaves/chooses will vary based on endpoint decisions.
** Offset vs before/after
** {{gwg}} willl support offset
** {{jackyalcine}} supports before/after [chronological pagination] and not offset [sequential pagination]
** {{manton}} supports limit and offset already
** [[post-status]] - Show only drafts or published.
*** {{gwg}} will commit to supporting this
*** {{jackyalcine}} supports this in {{Koype/Publish}} and {{Lwa}} but will not support in {{Lighthouse}}
*** {{aaronpk}} will support this
*** {{barryf}} will commit to support this
*** {{manton} will support this
** visibility - public, unlisted, private
*** {{gwg}} will commit to support this
*** {{jackyalcine}} will work on supporting this in {{Koype/Publish}}, {{Lighthouse}} and {{Lwa}}
*** {{barryf}} will commit to support this
** Any microformats properties would go in as a theoretical property query, but anything such as status or visibility would be their own query.
*** properties[key]=value - Tabled for further discussion
*** post-type  - querying for post types as defined by PTD. - Further discussiion needed, issue needs to be opened.
* Draft Scope - https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/24
* Draft Scope - https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/24
** Trust / Privacy
*** This could also be a useful feature for location-based apps to ensure privacy
*** Making sure one trusts an app before they have the ability to publish directly.
** Also good for initial posts to make sure the UI and details are done correctly.
**{{chrisaldrich}} noticed some odd formatting issues with respect to his theme when posting via ThreadReaderApp initially; draft would have mitigated this
** iA Writer did this voluntarily; they set the status as draft as default
** {{gwg}} already implements this
** {{aaronpk}} will be implementing this
** {{jackyalcine}} will look into this at https://git.jacky.wtf/indieweb/koype/issues/212
* Link Rel for Media Endpoint - https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/15
* Link Rel for Media Endpoint - https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/15
** {{manton}} -1
** {{jackyalcine}} -1 `q=config` handles this well
** Consensus is not yet a compelling reason to add this complexity
* Standalone Pages - https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/25
* Standalone Pages - https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/25
** Proposal includes / in the mp-slug other h=page.
** {{jackyalcine}} to drop `h-x-page` in favor for `h-page`
** {{jackyalcine}} will confirm if the Elixir IndieWeb library supports PTD for pages
** Using h=page seems to be the most straightforward approach.
***  {{gwg}} will commit to supporting this in WordPress and will decide about whether to mark up the page with h-page later
*** {{aaronpk}} to implement as wel
*** {{manton}} will implement this too (dropping the x- I'm currently using)
**** {{manton}} will also add h-page to manton.org before rolling it out to all of Micro.blog
** How to handle page heirarchies - parent/child
** Define h-page on MF wiki, add PTD to add page to the algorithm, define ?q=source&post-type=* as querying all types defined by post type discovery
** Add to indieweb.org/page examples of people using pages.
** Prior art / references:
***  https://microformats.org/wiki/page
***  https://indieweb.org/page
* Add Checked Property to Syndication Target - https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/23, Needs Implementations.
* Add Checked Property to Syndication Target - https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/23, Needs Implementations.
* Configuration Queries
** {{jacky}}, {{gwg}} and {{aaronpk}}, {{barryf}} to implement
**Query for Supported/Unsupported Properties - https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/8, https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/21
** {{jacky}} tracking progress at https://git.jacky.wtf/indieweb/koype/issues/213
** Query for Supported Queries - https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/7
**  Clients would have to change behavior to offer this. Some may be caching this only once.
* Location Checkin Information - Overloading geo URI https://indieweb.org/Micropub-extensions#Location_checkin_information
** Second idea, when querying for targets, add `post-type` to allow for customized targets based on context. Possibly add url later.  https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/23#issuecomment-663887155
* Location Checkin Information - Overloading geo URI https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/32
* Response from Media Endpoint - https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/13
* Response from Media Endpoint - https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/13
** {{gwg}} and {{jackyalcine}} will implement a minimal form of this
** {{manton}} will update response from upload to include JSON
*** Minimum URL
*** Optional Width + Height, Mime-type, children for alternative size files - Mirror EXIF vocabulary?
* Query for Media from Endpoint - https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/14
* Query for Media from Endpoint - https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/14
** q=last is superseded by q=source
** {{aaronpk}} will add q=source to his website and drop from Quill in favor of q=source&limit=1
** {{manton}} already supports this, going to remove properties except url
** Same as response, except item property with list of response styles from above
* Query for Location/Venue - https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/6
* Query for Location/Venue - https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/6
** h-adr geo, h-card venue
** Documenting other systems that have this feature...screenshots...data used
*** Microformats displayed for location
*** Document tagging posts plus checkin as user cases for this
* Deleting uploaded media - https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/30
** Should require delete + media scope
** action=delete to mirror Micropub endpoint syntax
** {{manton} will support this
* Configuration Queries - Tabled and not discussed
** Query for Supported/Unsupported Properties - https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/8, https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/21
** Query for Supported Queries - https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/7
** Query for supported properties, for a supported post-type https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/33
== Additional ideas for discussion ==
* Copy update - clear up possibly confusing paragraph around media endpoint - https://github.com/w3c/Micropub/issues/118
* Content-negotiation for Browser-driven interactions to Micropub endpoints https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/28


== To Do List ==
* <s>create events.indieweb.org event</s>
* <s>instructions for rsvp: events, this page, or directly on the etherpad</s>
* Add agenda.


== See Also ==
== See Also ==
{{#categorytree:IWC Pop-ups 2020 Organizing|mode=pages}}
{{#categorytree:IWC Pop-ups 2020 Organizing|mode=pages}}
{{#categorytree:IWC Pop-ups 2020 Sessions|mode=pages}}
{{#categorytree:IWC Pop-ups 2020 Sessions|mode=pages}}
* [[Micropub]]
* https://indieweb.org/Micropub-extensions
* https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues

Latest revision as of 23:20, 29 July 2020


Micropub is a IndieWebCamp Pop-ups 2020 session.

IndieWebCamp Pop-ups 2020
Session: Micropub
When: 2020-07-25 9:30 AM (Pacific) / 12:30 PM (Eastern)
URL: https://events.indieweb.org/2020/07/micropub-pop-up-session-kGMIMOXFUdBn
Video: ▶️2:30:11s

This session will be to iterate on proposed extensions to Micropub, listed on the the Micropub-extensions page. We will discuss which extensions can be moved to stable, try to better define those proposed, and to see who is willing to implement what proposal.

If possible, attendees should familiarize themselves with existing open issues.

Details

Organizers

Etherpad

We use an Etherpad to take notes on the event.

Volunteers


  • Notes for the session will take place at: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/MicropubDrafts
  • Streaming video/audio platform: Zoom
  • Create week: Following the session, we'll give people a chance to create something using a Micropub draft extension and post a demo.
  • Demos: When we're done, we'll may try a short online demo session or alternatively, collect all the items created as a result on a page.


RSVP

If you feel able, add yourself to the event, at Meetable, or post an indie RSVP on your own website.


Participants


Notes

Additional ideas for discussion


See Also

IWC Pop-ups 2020 Organizing
2020/Pop-up/Sessions
2020/Pop-ups
2020/Pop-ups/Demos
2020/Pop-ups/Schedule
IWC Pop-ups 2020 Sessions
2020/Pop-ups/Garden-And-Stream
2020/Pop-ups/GettingStartedWithWordPress
2020/Pop-ups/IndieAuth
2020/Pop-ups/IndieWeb Friendly WordPress Themes
2020/Pop-ups/Microformats
2020/Pop-ups/Micropub
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