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Hi @Teslaton:! Could you please be more specific? We need the details that indicate the suspicion that these two users are socks with abusive behavior, so that we can evaluate whether the requirements exist to carry out a justified check. Indeed, at present we have no reason to do so (e.g. users almost never edit on the same pages and we don't have further details). Thanks for your understanding! --Superpes15 (talk) 10:39, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi Superpes15. See abuse filter log [1] regarding award attempts (failed due to local rule, disallowing edits of other user pages by new users), then edit [2]. And yes, they do edit the same range of topics generally (arts, film) and even the same types of edit (hyphen/dash typography, etc.) actually. --Teslaton (talk) 10:49, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
@Teslaton: Thanks for providing us with the details. The point is: What guidelines would the user be violating by using multiple accounts that would make sockpuppeting abusive (basically they're allowed to have multiple users, as long as they are not used to alter consensus or are misused, for example participating in the same discussions/pages or avoiding scrutiny)? I mean, it could be a legitimate sock, or am I missing something? You said "self-awarding", but I only see a signature in the user page (which simply means "Thanks for your work"), to be honest - even if made by the same person - it seems too little to me to perform a CU! Superpes15 (talk) 15:31, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
@Superpes15: For me, whoever cheats in such an infantile matter, will also cheat in more serious matters. And a possible positive result would give the opportunity to remind him strongly that this is undesirable (and to block the sock puppet), i.e. to provide negative feedback right from the start. But never mind, thanks for your effort. --Teslaton (talk) 15:42, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
Absolutely no problem, I understand your point, but the purpose of the CU is limited to fighting disruption, and imho this is not the case. Anyway, I'll leave the request opened for another opinion (so another stew can decide on this if I'm wrong). Thanks :) Superpes15 (talk) 23:45, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

@Teslaton: Thank you for your good explanation. I would recommend that you ask them if they are running multiple accounts. If they admit it you can advise them to indicate multiple accounts, if they deny it then this will be a different issue. Perhaps this would be one way to go about handling this request. I will mark this request as not done. --Sotiale (talk) 04:48, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

  •  Confirmed Tys0723, 施力偉, 嘉祐, Kimisukine, 鐵仔

From a technical point of view. The confirmed group looks very related to the group you previously requested and confirmed. Based on current limited data, it is unlikely that Boogi wu has other hidden accounts. --Sotiale (talk) 01:52, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

维基中二群体代表@zh.wikipedia

  •  Confirmed 四缺缺, 孔氏藕, SKAJCL, 艾丽卡, Windjammerjjs

From a technical point of view. --Sotiale (talk) 03:05, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

@Sotiale:Is Uchusowie related to this case? --03:10, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
  •  Confirmed FabioLorenzo123 and Atomtoons

I mistook the date on a previous request and thought rowiki had the data, but this is all I can find. It may be a while since your previous request that it is inaccurate or data may not be available, but if you really need a comparison, please contact Amanda directly. --Sotiale (talk) 02:45, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

维基中二群体代表@zh.wikipedia

Done. --Sotiale (talk) 23:20, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
  •  Confirmed Group 1: Railfandomhk789, Consulate-General of wiki, Ilovehksar
  •  Confirmed Group 2: Tf6132, Yt32123

  •  Confirmed Group 1 and 589wesleywiki
  • Unlikely Unlikely Group 1 and 2

From a technical point of view. --Sotiale (talk) 04:04, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

  • Possible Possible. Unfortunately, it seems like it will have to be judged based on behavioral patterns.

  • They're using VPNs.

From a technical point of view. --Sotiale (talk) 04:11, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, this user has already had two previous investigation with no results; Steward_requests/Checkuser/2023-07#Elshad Iman (Elşad İman)@az.wikipedia and Steward_requests/Checkuser/2023-08#[email protected]. Therefore, in order for the investigation into this user to proceed, a very persuasive explanation must be provided. I do not believe that the current explanation is sufficient to warrant new investigation, despite the previous two results. And investigating accounts without specifying a comparison target is fishing, so it is difficult to allow. Please present other comparison targets with sufficient explanation or form a community consensus regarding this investigation. --Sotiale (talk) 02:22, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
@Sotiale, I think there is an user account network and canvassing led by Elshad Iman that is interested in this articles. We (azwiki community) previously detected that Elshad Iman is creating articles for money without disclosing, such as az:Elxan Bəşirov, Beshir Imanov. Users in previous investigation were so active in AfDs about these articles on both azwiki and enwiki (sometimes trwiki too). You can see how Correspondentman is active in Elxan Bəşirov's AfD. I just noticed that one of the users (Redaksiya) who participated in aforementioned AfDs just became active and !voted in Elxan's AfD. Do not you think that this is suspicious? I can add Redaksiya to target list if you want. Nemoralis (talk) 13:34, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Combining what you said and the results of the previous 2 investigations, this may be meatpuppet, so it makes no sense to investigate with this checkuer tool. This is not a big data analysis tool, it simply checks whether it is the same user with some information including the IP remaining on the server. If they are actually different people, they won't show up as the same user. --Sotiale (talk) 13:48, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

If you need to make a request, please post again with the explanation. --Sotiale (talk) 23:35, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

  •  Confirmed 24rfv2222, Abcsaw2d, Afaeaefa, 24rfv22222
  • Unlikely Unlikely Danielkolaio059

  • They're using VPNs.

From a technical point of view. --Sotiale (talk) 23:32, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

  •  Confirmed 80dr and Pharm60

There seem to be other possibilities besides link spam. They may have edited it together at academic facilities or institutes, and in any case, specific analysis will be done locally, but in my experience, it is possible that they did not do it for spam purposes. Please handle it in accordance with local policies and guidelines. --Sotiale (talk) 23:54, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

@Sotiale: Thanx, Sotiale. Their contributions were not of academic style, but purely commercial. Sysops at el/WP have been informed, and will decide accordingly. ǁǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 (talk) 11:03, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
  •  Confirmed 方中尚, 苟謖, 哥弗拉天, 勾揚楓, 戴摩王, Yaya Furaha Gor, 鍾勇毅, 尋寬起, 穆紫逸雯芳, 魏述嘉, 翰尼找, 哥弗拉天, 抽新

  • They're using VPNs, but some are still using regular IPs.

From a technical point of view. --Sotiale (talk) 23:48, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

  •  Confirmed Group 1: Wecohik, 叉燒肥牛腸, Chau jenny, Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkp, Emma0629, HK emma people
  •  Confirmed Group 2: BC Cheung, Bosco64
  • Unrelated Unrelated Redmi123465

  • Unlikely Unlikely Group 1 and 2

From a technical point of view. Unfortunately, this is the best I can do with the limited information available at this time. I think things will probably get a little better starting next week. --Sotiale (talk) 09:58, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

The following request is closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
@MP1999: Could you please explain why a check is needed and eventually provifr the relevant pages? Thanks for understanding --Superpes15 (talk) 15:49, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Because this member is not talking politely.And. He is also running another account. As one account is being closed, it is talking to another account. MP1999📞 05:51, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
@MP1999: Please follow the instructions above and provide the relevant diffs (as I already asked you). I see that neither of the two accounts is blocked, and I have no idea how these two accounts are causing disruption, and how they can be connected to each other. Note that a checkuser made without any evidence, or when there are no disruption, is abusive according to the CU policy, so please, be more specific and link the evidence of sockpuppeting or a discussion in which the project asks for a check after evaluating the evidence! Thanks for your understanding Superpes15 (talk) 09:26, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
@Superpes15 Actually the reporter want me to delete my user page on Hindi Wikipedia because he thinks the code used there is of his very own. Same thing was done by User:Saurbhsaha, he made his user page like him. He threatened both of us and reported us to admins, but admin told him that codes are open source and can be used by anyone. But even after that he threatened me and Saurbhasha that he will block us. And now he is doing same here. I am mostly active on English Wikipedia and I sometime come on Hindi Wikipedia. I removed some content from his page. And I am not having any other account. Zendrago X (talk) 11:55, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
@Superpes15: Both edits are made by one person (Zendrago_X) who operates by multiple account on several wikis, so i request to you please investigate both user account by checkuser first. MP1999📞 11:55, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

 Declined This doesn't look at all a valid reason or evidence of abusive socking imho. You linked two different message without any correlation (and I understand them, since you warned these users that they could be blocked, even if I don't understand the reason). Also, accusing someone to abuse multiple accounts cross-wiki is a very serious thing, so, since we are still waiting for evidence of abusive sock (and also of other socks that you said they use), I'll close the request as invalid! Please contact the relevant local functionaries for this type of problem! Best --Superpes15 (talk) 12:25, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Comment First of all, he mentioned a link to a discussion on Hindi Wikipedia, which does not exist. So, he's making false statements regarding this.

Secondly, I've primarily contributed to Assamese Wikipedia, Sanskrit Wikipedia, etc. Hindi Wikipedia is not on my list; sometimes, I only revert some spam edits on Hindi Wikipedia. User:MP1999 has started making serious accusations against me without any proper proof. He has threatened me multiple times just because my Wikipedia userpage format looks the same, even though all contents and texts are different. Now, he's spamming across both Hindi Wikipedia and Meta.
Saurabhsaha (talk) 15:36, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
@Saurabhsaha: Thanks for your explanation, but I point out that the request was already decided and closed, so further comment will not be accepted here. As I said, you have the procedure to resolve the issue locally, and I'm sure you can. If you need valid actions by steward, please, don't esitate to contact us! Superpes15 (talk) 16:16, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
Side note: previous check for comparison--07:25, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
  •  Confirmed Keith987, Railfandomhk789, Ming546shu, Cskwiki785, 589wesleywiki
  • Inconclusive Inconclusive FungLR

  • FungLR is using VPN; there is not enough data to make a decision.

From a technical point of view. --Sotiale (talk) 07:53, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

  • Unrelated Unrelated and there is no data showing that each account uses another hidden account.

From a technical point of view. --Sotiale (talk) 07:59, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

  •  Confirmed Group 1: Dhsjdhsjjd, Ru04bp6, Djdijsjsisjsj
  •  Confirmed Group 2: 瑪皇, 辛抽煌, 馬煌, 加錢哥, 哥弗拉天, 司乃強, 尋寬起, 方中尚, 苟謖, Yaya Furaha Gor
  • Unlikely Unlikely Iris Y. Lin 0714

  • Group 2 is Tommy860119, but I'm not sure if group 1 is them.
  • Iris Y. Lin 0714 is the same.

From a technical point of view. --Sotiale (talk) 08:08, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@Sotiale:Does that mean Iris Y. Lin 0714 is Unlikely Unlikely related to both group 1 and group 2? Thanks again for the check.--08:33, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
Since you asked for it to be based on Tommy860119, it's based on them. --Sotiale (talk) 09:16, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
Sorry, I want to ask a question. Was Ggfghhffhhgg missed and not checked? Rastinition (talk) 11:48, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
Ggfghhffhhgg should be included in group 1(Ru04bp6). I missed it. There was a typo. I'm sorry. --Sotiale (talk) 12:01, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
Thanks.
By the way, Ggahsh is the account registered in the last hour.His editing on his user page made me suspect that he is group 1.Because his number of edits is still very small, is it suitable to submit Checkuser in the short term? Rastinition (talk) 12:34, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
Sjsjsjjsjsjdndnjdj and Ggahsh? Any further requests should be made locally. --Sotiale (talk) 14:20, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
  •  Confirmed Group 1: Ben10ddd, Skibidi1, 陳認素
  •  Confirmed Group 2: SpartansRiseUp111, 陳義膽, 陳俊懷

  • (Very) Likely Likely Group 1 and 2
  • Possible Possible InternetArchiveBot123 and Group 1, 2

From a technical point of view. --Sotiale (talk) 12:38, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

  •  Confirmed 翱翔天际谈古今, Tun Ismail, Suharto dictator, Leslie cheung jin hui, Leslie cheung jin ming, 林熙隆, 王维娜

From a technical point of view. --Sotiale (talk) 08:32, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

  •  Confirmed Chestercat2, Factcheck222222, 拉莫斯哈乘客人, FactChanger33, Tricor2, 家裡不

Are the behavior patterns the same? Then it would be them. It means they are the same person. --Sotiale (talk) 08:39, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

It's pretty evident that Group 1 = Group 2 from last check based on behavior patterns. I was more curious about whether it's MEAT or just pure socks. --14:35, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
@Sotiale:Re-ping. --14:36, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
Your guess is likely correct, because this tool can't capture meat. --Sotiale (talk) 22:16, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure the english wikipedia has local checkusers, you should open an sock puppet investigation locally. Deauthorized (talk) 00:57, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
Not done per above: the English Wikipedia has local CheckUsers. Vermont (🐿️🏳️‍🌈) 00:58, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
Here is the list of their locked sockpuppets for your reference:
accounts list 
--SCP-2000 11:19, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
Unfortunately, the accounts you listed and Amzyzz are different, at least when comparing the recent data. Maybe there's something I don't know about, but at least that's what the data says, and I'm not sure if Amzyzz is using a different account. Nevertheless the accounts listed above all had matching data. --Sotiale (talk) 13:17, 31 October 2023 (UTC)