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Nora and Nathan give a few final thoughts about The Tortured Poets Department, including what the charts can tell us about how people are listening to this album (1:00), and whether Taylor Swift albums can be properly reviewed anymore (34:25). Then, they talk about Sabrina Carpenter’s song “Espresso,” and how she’s poised to be one of our next biggest pop stars (48:08).
Hosts: Nora Princiotti and Nathan Hubbard
Producer: Kaya McMullen
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