Wikidata:Property proposal/headline, chapter or section
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headline or heading
[edit]Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic
Not done
Description | the title of an article, chapter, section and similar |
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Data type | Monolingual text |
Example 1 | ContraPoints Is the Opposite of the Internet (Q111308529): |
Example 2 | Claire-Louise Bennett (Q55828246): place of birth (P19), references: |
Example 3 | reference example: stated in (P248): Dictionary of Irish Biography (Q111109010); volume (P478): 3; page(s) (P304): 120; propsed property: Last name, First name |
Example 4 | reference example: stated in (P248): The New York Times (Q9684); propsed property: Avocados—What Are They?; author name string (P2093): Bob McBobson; publication date (P577) January 18, 1997; reference URL (P854): […] |
See also | chapter (P792) |
Motivation
[edit]A property is needed for headlines etc that should be within "quotation marks", like magazine and journal articles. The properties that currently exist are insufficient:
- title (P1476) covers too much, namely any sort of title: both titles of works and titles of articles or chapters in a work. No distinction is possible, unless you create a Wikidata item for the work, in which case both title (P1476) and stated in (P248) thus result in italicized titles when transcluded to Wikipedia. So we still need to make a distinction between titles of works and headlines of sections if we want to be able to transclude properly formatted references to Wikipedia.
- chapter (P792) works well for numbers, but not for words. Chapter titles are written in quotation marks, isolated chapter numbers are not.
- section, verse, paragraph, or clause (P958) probably works well in many cases, but not in cases when e.g. the article itself a Wikidata item, such as Example 1. When transcluded, this results in a title in quotation marks followed by the same title in italics. And, just like title (P1476), this property seems to cover too much. It seems to be used for e.g. both paragraphs in legal texts and bible verses, but those two are formatted differently, and neither of them puts the verse/parapgraph in quotation marks, like this property does when transcluded as a reference.
Förbätterlig (talk) 11:16, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
Discussion
[edit]- Comment It seems like the proposed property would overlap with the "section" portion of section, verse, paragraph, or clause (P958). Would the proposed property replace that aspect of P958? — The Erinaceous One 🦔 00:23, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, that's actually the point. It's oviously very impractical to have several aspects of a single property like that. Förbätterlig (talk) 10:45, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Does every language have the same conventions regarding formatting for headlines, chapters, and sections? I suspect not, so it would make more sense to split these into different properties so that each can have locale-specific formatting. — The Erinaceous One 🦔 00:23, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- Many languages all over the world use quotation marks, which will have to be formatted individually in cite templates ("" can be the default). If additional properties are needed, they can always be added later on. Förbätterlig (talk) 10:45, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- The difference between many and all is important. If some languages use quotes for, say, chapter titles but not section titles, then this property would not work for them. I Oppose making one property for headlines, chapter titles, and section titles, as is currently proposed, but would support making three different properties (one for each). — The Erinaceous One 🦔 00:45, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
- Many languages all over the world use quotation marks, which will have to be formatted individually in cite templates ("" can be the default). If additional properties are needed, they can always be added later on. Förbätterlig (talk) 10:45, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- Question Do the above remarks about quotation marks vs. italics refer to some kind of citation tool, and if so, which one? --2A02:8108:50BF:C694:A4EE:1267:E564:785E 14:12, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose What yuo are asking is for different types of items to have different properties to give the title. I see no justification for this that cannot be handled by looking at the "instance of" property. Circeus (talk) 16:59, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose: too specific IMO. Maxime Ravel (talk) 05:30, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
- Not done - not created per lack of support. Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 05:58, 25 January 2024 (UTC)