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- Tsada K.
- Oakland, CA
- 795 friends
- 273 reviews
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Yay for xenophobia! Here's to less traffic congestion in my neighborhood!1/6/2012 -
- Jack H.
- San Francisco, CA
- 1392 friends
- 213 reviews
Wow, just when you thought Microsoft couldn't sink any lower ...
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- B H.
- San Francisco, CA
- 264 friends
- 176 reviews
pshhhhf now they introduce this after all of SF is already gentrified.
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- Jack H.
- San Francisco, CA
- 1392 friends
- 213 reviews
I'm waiting for the 2.0 Avoid Non-Whites Version
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- Coach P. C.
- Mountain View, CA
- 122 friends
- 161 reviews
Is Microsoft also going to develop an "Avoid the Paranoid & Prejudiced?" I'm sure there's a more technical term for that, but me no know.
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- Al D.
- Santa Clara, CA
- 10 friends
- 10 reviews
Did y'all even glance at the patent or just look at the article? (the 'avoid ghetto' appelation is an invention of the article writer)
Quoting from the patent app:
"Various route production systems are available for a user traveling though utilization of a vehicle. However, a pedestrian ... can have specific characteristics that are different from what is considered in vehicle route planning. For example, when a user travels as a pedestrian, she is commonly more exposed environmental elements. If it is relatively cold outside, then a pedestrian is far more likely to feel an impact then if a vehicle equipped with a heating system protected her. Moreover, it can be more dangerous for a pedestrian to enter an unsafe neighborhood then a person in a vehicle since a pedestrian is more exposed and it is more difficult for her to leave an unsafe neighborhood quickly. However, there are advantages to being a pedestrian traveler; if a pedestrian takes an incorrect action (e.g., turns down a wrong street), then correction can be easier since there are commonly fewer one-way pedestrian streets...."
So, the word "unsafe" is mentioned with no racial or economic context (can also apply to construction areas, streets without sidewalks, etc etc) . Those who assume that to mean "ghetto" reflect far more bias than the patent app does.1/6/2012 -
- Coach P. C.
- Mountain View, CA
- 122 friends
- 161 reviews
Of course not, Al. Duh.
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Makes sense to me.
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- R J.
- San Francisco, CA
- 206 friends
- 320 reviews
Yes Al the writer is well versed in the ways of Faux News.
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- Kelly D.
- San Francisco, CA
- 9 friends
- 30 reviews
If you are on a bicycle at night, there are areas to avoid in San Francisco.
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- Al D.
- Santa Clara, CA
- 10 friends
- 10 reviews
those who get outraged over this should also realize that such factors are ALREADY incorporated in **driving directions in existing navigation services** -- where was the outrage over that??
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- Kelly D.
- San Francisco, CA
- 9 friends
- 30 reviews
It would also be nice to have an optional "avoid hills" route also.
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- R J.
- San Francisco, CA
- 206 friends
- 320 reviews
My nephew programmed our GPS to moo everytime we get close to a gas station. Soon he can program it for gunshots everytime we get close to an unsafe neighborhood.
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- Ben H.
- Oakland, CA
- 478 friends
- 37 reviews
man, good thing Chevy Chase didnt have this feature in the movie "Vacation"- that was the funniest part! Lol...Christopher Columbo
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- Ian B.
- Chicago, IL
- 144 friends
- 11 reviews
ebn h. says:
man, good thing Chevy Chase didnt have this feature in the movie "Vacation"- that was the funniest part!
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"Excuse me, could you please tell me how to get back on the express way?"1/6/2012 -
- Ryan M.
- San Francisco, CA
- 189 friends
- 17 reviews
Tsada K. says:
Yay for xenophobia!
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How does that at all translate to xenophobia? One already has a destination in mind, and this can look at crime stats to show routes to avoid while on the way to said destination.
I have no plan on using, but I don't see the issue.1/6/2012 -
- Ryan M.
- San Francisco, CA
- 189 friends
- 17 reviews
This feature made me think of that movie 'Judgement Night' with Denis Leary, Jeremy Piven and Emiliooooooooooo!
Not a bad flick.1/6/2012 -
- Ian B.
- Chicago, IL
- 144 friends
- 11 reviews
Ryan - I remember that movie, I didn't think it was too bad either.
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- Al D.
- Santa Clara, CA
- 10 friends
- 10 reviews
ebn h. says:
man, good thing Chevy Chase didnt have this feature in the movie "Vacation"- that was the funniest part!
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or the frat boys in "Animal House" when they take the road trip to catch Otis Day and the Knights*
"Does you min' if we dance wif yo dates?"
* - ever notice who played lead guitar?1/6/2012 -
- Tsada K.
- Oakland, CA
- 795 friends
- 273 reviews
I personally find equating "dangerous" neighborhoods with mud-slide areas or construction zones in the same app to be a little questionable, but that's just me. Are you guys really as afraid of driving through the TL as you are of driving Devil's Slide during rainy season?
I do agree that the writer's choice of "ghetto" in the article title is questionable as well, although I think it was being used in somewhat of a tongue-in-cheek manner--for the reason I mentioned above.1/6/2012 -
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- Al D.
- Santa Clara, CA
- 10 friends
- 10 reviews
Tsada K. says:
I personally find equating "dangerous" neighborhoods with mud-slide areas or construction zones in the same app to be a little questionable, but that's just me. Are you guys really as afraid of driving through the TL as you are of driving Devil's Slide during rainy season?
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again, this patent was about *walking*, not driving. such "danger" considerations for driving are already considered Prior Art by the Patent office, impying that such technology is already in use by auto navigation software. And wasn't Devil's Slide bypassed already?1/6/2012 -
- Tsada K.
- Oakland, CA
- 795 friends
- 273 reviews
sorry, meant to say *agree with Al* that the writer;s choice of "ghetto"...
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- Tsada K.
- Oakland, CA
- 795 friends
- 273 reviews
I don't know if Devil's Slide was bypassed already. I haven't driven it in about twenty years. You get my basic point though, right?
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- Tsada K.
- Oakland, CA
- 795 friends
- 273 reviews
H. Paul C. says:
this reads more like an "i don't make as much money as i want, so im going to cry racial injustice every time someone makes me aware of this fact" thread to me.
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Hmm...now who is making assumptions?1/6/2012 -
- Al D.
- Santa Clara, CA
- 10 friends
- 10 reviews
Sean "BETTER THAN EZRA" C. says:
The ghetto is where the great taco trucks are. Sure, you have to avoid the prostitutes, drug dealers, and drive by shootings,
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do you really want to go there right now, considering recent events?1/6/2012 -
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- Al D.
- Santa Clara, CA
- 10 friends
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Tsada K. says:
I don't know if Devil's Slide was bypassed already. I haven't driven it in about twenty years. You get my basic point though, right?
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yes.
the article writer is just assuming the worst (racism) in this patent app. I think there's plenty of time to bash MS later if they do, in fact, automatically consider poor or heavily-nonwhite neighborhoods to be inherently "dangerous" without regard to other physical hazards. (e.g. such an app would be right to mark Ogawa Park as an "avoid" for pedestrians during Occupy)1/6/2012 -
- Tsada K.
- Oakland, CA
- 795 friends
- 273 reviews
Also, to those who feel I misused the term "xenophobia"-- In my experience the reluctance of people to venture into my neighborhood or Oakland in general (often labeled as "high crime") has mostly to do with a fear of the foreign or unknown rather than any kind of legitimate risk or realistic danger to them. And that to me is the definition of xenophobia. Just MHO though. Flame on.
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- Tsada K.
- Oakland, CA
- 795 friends
- 273 reviews
Al "Lead Singer, Driving the Winnebago" D. says:
Sean "BETTER THAN EZRA" C. says:
The ghetto is where the great taco trucks are. Sure, you have to avoid the prostitutes, drug dealers, and drive by shootings,
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do you really want to go there right now, considering recent events?
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Which recent events are you talking about? Just curious.1/6/2012 -
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- Tsada K.
- Oakland, CA
- 795 friends
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Al "Lead Singer, Driving the Winnebago" D. says:
Tsada K. says:
I don't know if Devil's Slide was bypassed already. I haven't driven it in about twenty years. You get my basic point though, right?
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yes.
the article writer is just assuming the worst (racism) in this patent app. I think there's plenty of time to bash MS later if they do, in fact, automatically consider poor or heavily-nonwhite neighborhoods to be inherently "dangerous" without regard to other physical hazards.
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I agree. It would be interesting to see exactly how they define "dangerous" as it applies to this app. All crime does not pose a risk to drivers/pedestrians.1/6/2012 -
- Pickle R.
- San Francisco, CA
- 372 friends
- 806 reviews
I was in east oakland sunday after the raiders game. The town is straight up ghetto, yo!
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- Tsada K.
- Oakland, CA
- 795 friends
- 273 reviews
Sean, those people stand more of a risk of being harmed or injured on the slopes at Heavenly than they do standing in line for a taco in Oakland. They're just rationalizing their xenophobia with what they see featured on the 10 o'clock news.
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- Coach P. C.
- Mountain View, CA
- 122 friends
- 161 reviews
I believe the recent event being referred to is the 5-year old who got shot and killed by his dad's taco truck. The funeral was today.
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- Coach P. C.
- Mountain View, CA
- 122 friends
- 161 reviews
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- Tsada K.
- Oakland, CA
- 795 friends
- 273 reviews
Anyway, sorry if I offended anyone with this post. Perhaps it's not xenophobia--perhaps it's gonna be a useful app. What the fuck do I know? I don't even have a GPS. I still read maps.
It's an interesting discussion nonetheless. Have a great weekend, folks!1/6/2012 -
- Tsada K.
- Oakland, CA
- 795 friends
- 273 reviews
I hadn't read about that, Clementine. That's horrible. There's been some bad stuff going on in that part of International the past few months. So sad.
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- Tom T.
- Los Angeles, CA
- 25 friends
- 43 reviews
I could have used this feature when walking to a club in DC last year.
We walked past some seriously dark ghetto shit.1/6/2012 -
- Mariela D.
- San Francisco, CA
- 1758 friends
- 765 reviews
Ha ha, WTF? People watch too much evening news. They'll smoke cigarettes and eat fast food but they won't drive through the hood.
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- Coach P. C.
- Mountain View, CA
- 122 friends
- 161 reviews
It's so, so sad. I don't know why I still watch the local news. I know it's pretty skewed, but I still watch a little and that's why I knew about this.
(btw, I meant to say that he was playing by his dad's taco truck....)1/6/2012 -
- Al D.
- Santa Clara, CA
- 10 friends
- 10 reviews
Tsada K. says:
Also, to those who feel I misused the term "xenophobia"-- In my experience the reluctance of people to venture into my neighborhood or Oakland in general (often labeled as "high crime")
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but is Tsada's neighborhood still "high crime" when Tsada isn't there?
*ducking*
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but yes, the event I was referring to was the Oakland shooting death of the taco truck owner's kid1/6/2012 -
- Tsada K.
- Oakland, CA
- 795 friends
- 273 reviews
Depends on what I've had to eat that night, Al. On brussels sprout night, my block is off-the-charts dangerous.
See what I mean about danger being relative?1/6/2012 -
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- Coach P. C.
- Mountain View, CA
- 122 friends
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I usually don't care about my grammar mistakes, but I made it sound like the taco truck was doing the shooting and I couldn't let that one go. OK, I'll stop now.
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- Al D.
- Santa Clara, CA
- 10 friends
- 10 reviews
armed gangs of taco trucks are becoming a big problem in the Central Valley
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- Jhoe G.
- Vallejo, CA
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- Elena I.
- Los Angeles, CA
- 126 friends
- 316 reviews
So how does it determine the level of danger in a neighborhood? By using crime statistics ? Demographics? The absence of a Starbucks on every corner, and lack of a Whole Foods market?
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- Jhoe G.
- Vallejo, CA
- 882 friends
- 158 reviews
Bump for Umesh
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- Al D.
- Santa Clara, CA
- 10 friends
- 10 reviews
any neighborhood with an Umesh is unsafe
not just Vallejo1/6/2012 -
- Clayton h.
- San Leandro, CA
- 0 friends
- 1 review
They have to include Avoid The Trailer-Park-Trash also
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- Clayton h.
- San Leandro, CA
- 0 friends
- 1 review
And in the event you get lost driving through South Dakota Avoid Cracka-Ville
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- Brandon M.
- Houston, TX
- 284 friends
- 418 reviews
This thread was pretty good, I read through it while eating ice cream.
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- Al D.
- Santa Clara, CA
- 10 friends
- 10 reviews
April, are you thinking of Reginald Denny?
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